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jducoeur ([personal profile] jducoeur) wrote2015-11-16 12:48 pm
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*Sigh*. I gotta get my ego out of trying to save the SCA from its own stupid...

[Mostly musing to myself as a bit of journal-therapy, although conversation on the topic(s) is welcomed.]

This month's stupid is unusually epic: the Board has "clarified" that the NMS applies to *all SCA activities that collect a site fee*. Including practices -- if you collect $3 from people to pay for your fencing site, you are now required to add a $5 NMS fee for all non-members.

I'm ripshit angry about the sheer cowardice of calling this a "clarification". I'm sure that, when the NMS happened, we asked whether it applied to practices and were told no -- that was one of the things that calmed us down from the rage that swept the Barony at the time. But it's been pointed out that, in the modern bureaucratic SCA, where "if it's not written down, it doesn't exist" is essentially a religion, the Board will probably just ignore the point unless I can find written documentation. (If anybody *has* a clear statement about this, I'd love to have it. I suspect something exists, and there's a good chance it's somewhere in my files, but finding it in time to be relevant isn't terribly likely. However many files you think I have, double it, and probably double it again.)

ETA: Tibor found a clear and at least moderately official statement on the subject from the time -- see his first link, below.

That entirely aside, though, I'm just jaw-dropped at the sheer idiocy of the move. I can think of few ways to more grossly harm retention in the club. Yes, we might get a tiny number of people who will buy memberships as a result, and yes, Corporate might get a tiny inflow of revenue from it. But both effects will be dwarfed by the number of people who will simply be driven away from the SCA because it's too expensive to even come to practices any more. Even more, by the number of practices that will shut down because this effectively makes their sites unaffordable.

(No, this doesn't currently affect Carolingia, thank heavens -- we have no current practices that require a site fee. But we certainly have done so in the past, for several different activities, and being unable to do so is going to limit our options.)

If this was a rare occurrence, that would be one thing -- but at this point, almost every time I come into contact with the Society officialdom, it's because *some* level of the bureaucracy has done something so remarkably stupid and destructive that it sends me into a rage. I think it's at least quarterly; sometimes, it feels like it's monthly.

That kind of anger isn't healthy; indeed, it isn't even productive. It's not as if I'm going to win all those arguments; at this point, winning *any* of them is pretty rare. (The Order of Valiance is one of the few cases where I think there's a chance that sanity might prevail -- but even there, it's merely the third-best option we had for dealing with the situation.)

All of which means I've got to disconnect -- the only question is how much. At this point, I feel like I'm in an abusive relationship: I care so deeply about the SCA, and I am constantly feeling *hurt* by it. I don't especially want a "divorce": too many of my friends are in the club, and I still enjoy many of the activities, so I don't want to drop out entirely.

But I need to figure out how to stop caring about its long-term survival. Because at this point, I really think the club is doomed in the long run, unless something major changes at the top. When you have a Board of Directors sneaking in idiotically destructive moves, so quietly under the cover of night that even those of us who *read* the notes of the Board meetings didn't realize it was happening (indeed, the only reason it came out was that it was announced to the *exchequers* list in the EK), you're pretty much screwed.

So I need to learn how to just play, as a participant, as one of a number of activities, rather than having it occupy the central role in my life it's had for the past 30+ years. Have the SCA just be another fun game, like LARP or fandom, that I do but I'm not utterly invested in. That's surprisingly hard.

Really, I think I'm in the middle of the stages of grief here (definitely feels goddamn familiar), and trying to figure out how to move on to acceptance. I sometimes say that the only mercy in Jane's death was that neither she nor I suffered terribly long -- she was only actively dying for about two (unbelievably horrible) months. With the Society, it's more like watching a loved one with a terribly lingering and protracted terminal illness, with no closure...

ETA2: Corporate has now issued a secondary "clarification" that goes back to more or less the status quo ante, fixing the stupid.  So the immediate crisis is resolved, pretty much as I suspected it would be -- in the wake of a great deal of noise, they've quietly backed off.  Which just leaves us with the general problem that we shouldn't have these firestorm-inducing idiocies that *require* an outcry to fix.  And me with the specific problem, as stated above, of how to stop associating the SCA with these high-blood-pressure-inducing incidents...

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2015-11-16 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
http://www.sca.org/docs/pdf/scafaq.pdf (Circa 2003-2004) See page 52


http://www.sca.org/docs/finpolicies/NMSPolicy.pdf (2010, defines events as the only place NMS is charged)

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2015-11-16 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
The problem here is simple, and impossible.

The Board can change any of that stuff any time - just hold a vote at a properly constituted Board Meeting. They did.

What's missing is perspicacity and wisdom, and there is no way to force-feed that to them. (At the same meeting, they required membership for all members of the Grand Council... no reason given, and despite considerable opposition from attendees.)

They don't know HOW to make good decisions, so they make bad ones. Fixing that is hard.

The Grand Council was tasked with creating a good decision-making process for New Peerages, and we've expanded that to "How to make good decisions". I'm writing something now, and I hope that when we're done, it'll be a good document.

And that they'll use it.

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2015-11-16 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooohhhh.

Good idea. Great idea.

Can you off-list me her email? I'm not sure I have it handy, and don't do Facebook.

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2015-11-16 07:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Perfect.

It isn't that I lack for reviewers and brain-stormers, it's that I admire her good sense so very much.

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2015-11-16 06:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm always glad to be helpful to you. And Mercedes. She's a good one.

[identity profile] serakit.livejournal.com 2015-11-16 06:16 pm (UTC)(link)
What's the Order of Valiance?

I find it frightening that the doom of the SCA seems so likely-- for me this *isn't* just one of many activities; it's pretty much my entire social circle and *only* activity, even if at the moment my membership has lapsed and I'm not having time for it. I've been cheerfully mentally planning out how, once my life settles down, I'd like to see what Youth stuff is around and either volunteering to help with the running of it or getting some started if it isn't there. (Really, the only reason I didn't try to become a Thrown Weapons Marshal years ago is that I'm too shy to go ask them to teach me.) And then they do Doom things and I wonder if I should bother, since half the reason I head for "get into running Youth stuff" is an attempt to keep the next generation involved, save the Society that way.

Though despite the SCA being my entire life, I'm not quite as *angry* about it as you are.
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[personal profile] handymonkey 2015-11-17 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
Change is natural and healthy...

No; change happens. It is not necessarily healthy. Sometimes change can be damned unhealthy.

[identity profile] hfcougar.livejournal.com 2015-11-22 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
This.

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2015-11-17 09:17 am (UTC)(link)
There one was a time when the SCA was nearly my entire social life. And then my personal life had its walls cave in and there was no time any more. I was amazed by two things. One was how many "close" friends forgot me at once, when I couldn't make it to the floating craps game that is the SCA. The other was how many close friends I really had, who I had met in the SCA and who I kept. And who kept me.

You make new friends. It's just a transition. You find new, good ways to spend your time.

I still "miss" the SCA. If my weekends were not so full with my wife's new small business, I'd probably attend more events. My life is better for having done it, and not significantly worse for having stopped.

(Between the two of us, and our employees, we attend between one and five farmers markets or customer events most weekends. That doesn't leave a lot of time for funny clothes. :-) )
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[identity profile] alexx-kay.livejournal.com 2015-11-17 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
"My life is better for having done it, and not significantly worse for having stopped."

Likewise. I'm glad I did it, and I'm glad I stopped doing it.

Getting a 'divorce'

[identity profile] kfitzwarin.livejournal.com 2015-11-16 06:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't have anything to recommend except to commiserate. Been there, done that, mostly had to get a divorce - as much as I love the people, it wasn't being fun.

Changes to the NMS policy

[identity profile] manyra.livejournal.com 2015-11-16 07:16 pm (UTC)(link)
There have been a few requests by An Tir, Avacal and the East to exempt informal activities. Here in Avacal, we have three groups who charge for fight practices, curia, monthly taverns. Donations just didn't cover the costs. To collect NMS on those would not only piss off a lot of people and hurt recruitment, it will be an exchequer's nightmare especially given it has to be sent in within 10 days.

What is happening here - the quick announcement although we had an idea of it coming before the BOD meeting, no follow through and no direction on what to say to the general populace is really ticking me off. But I shouldn't be surprised. All I can do is be more open to those who work directly with me.
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[personal profile] keshwyn 2015-11-17 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
Sadly, not true. I know if at least one Carolingian practice that DOES collect a per-practice fee, to offset costs. :-(
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[personal profile] keshwyn 2015-11-17 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
I have been reminded it may be a strongly-encouraged donation. Archery practice at Peter the Red's has a $1 donation (?) which goes toward replacement loaner arrows and targets, as they do tend to get broken, worn out, or lost fairly quickly.

[identity profile] rufinia.livejournal.com 2015-11-17 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
We may need to tweak phrasing a tiny bit to make sure our asses are covered, but it's not something to be worried about.

[identity profile] rufinia.livejournal.com 2015-11-17 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
It is my policy that as long as I am seneschal, we will avoid requiring fees for practices as much as humanly possible. First, because this is ridiculous, second, because we have the money, and third, I don't want to require work for the exchequers.

[identity profile] jtdiii.livejournal.com 2015-11-17 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
I once walked away for six months just because there were things going on that annoyed me. I left because of the issue, I came back for the friends.

From the corporate treasurer

[identity profile] manyra.livejournal.com 2015-11-17 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
This just came via email:


The Non Member Surcharge of $5.00 (five dollars) shall be collected at every Society, Kingdom or Local group event where:
1. the event is advertised in either the Kingdom Newsletter or the Kingdom website and/or a local newsletter or local web site
2. where it is anticipated that the SCA's insurance will be covering the Kingdom or local group and its officers/agents
3. where a site fee (or suggested donation) is being charged for admittance.
Any participant who attends such an event who does not possess a valid membership card must be charged a $5.00 (five dollars) Non Member Surcharge (NMS) in addition to the site fee or suggested donation amount and that NMS shall be collected and submitted to the Kingdom Exchequer or their assigned deputy within 10 business days. The Kingdom Exchequer is responsible for submitting the NMS for both Kingdom and local group events by the end of the following month.

Limited exceptions to the NMS rule:

1. Demonstrations-- if the Kingdom or local group is hosting a demo at a school, a Renaissance Faire or some other gathering run by another organization (either for-profit or non-profit), the collection of NMS is not necessary; however, if the Kingdom or local group is either hosting or co-hosting the event and charging either a site fee or suggesting a donation, NMS shall be collected.

2. Regular Occurring Meetings: No NMS need be collected at a weekly, monthly, quarterly or semi-annual re-occurring event, i.e. not at an officers meeting, a local group fighter practice, or regularly scheduled local arts & science meetings. If there is an officers meeting (or any other meeting or practice) at a published event charging a site fee or a suggested donation, this meeting/practice (as part of another event) does not negate the need to collect NMS.

Re: From the corporate treasurer

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2015-11-17 09:01 am (UTC)(link)
If I read that poorly crafted bit of rule-salad correctly, item two exempts practices.

In fact, if I read that entire email correctly (and perhaps I do not) it can be summarized as "no change to existing NMS policies".

How do you read it? What does it change?

(I spent a good part of my day revising a draft document for the Board on corporate decision making, to add clarification about quality communications. Sucks to see such clear proof that it is badly needed.)

Re: From the corporate treasurer

[identity profile] aishabintjamil.livejournal.com 2015-11-18 01:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think it does quite back off completely. It used to be that small events which were only advertised to the local populace, via the local newsletter, and not in Pikestaff, were exempt. That appears to be no longer the case. I can think off hand of at least three local groups (Stonemarche, Mountain Freehold, and Glenn Linn) who have held such events in the last year or two.

Re: From the corporate treasurer

[identity profile] eudociainboston.livejournal.com 2015-11-17 01:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Well crap, I am finally well enough to be around people and try archery and throw again(which is outside and 10 minutes from my house)and we let my membership lapse since I am not really able to be a thrown weapons marshal anymore. I'm not paying $6 to let a few arrows fly when I have a range in my backyard. My friends have been FABULOUS about coming to me.
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[identity profile] editrx.livejournal.com 2015-11-17 04:44 am (UTC)(link)
And people wonder why Elric and I gafiated long ago....

Extinct dinosaurs

[identity profile] corbie mitleid (from livejournal.com) 2015-11-17 02:18 pm (UTC)(link)
And all of this micromanagement is one of the reasons why the two or three times I've contemplated coming back were short-circuited in short order (never mind the fact that a dozen surgeries have turned me into a fireplug who couldn't wear proper Tudor under any circumstances). At this point, I prefer savoring memories of what was to trying to machete my way through the morass of what is.

If I want this kind of soul-twisting idiocy, all I have to do is walk out of my front door on any given day of the week, and it's right there in the mundane world. I don't need it as a hobby.

Countess Tam

Edited 2015-11-17 14:19 (UTC)

hmmmm

[identity profile] nick mares (from livejournal.com) 2015-11-17 05:05 am (UTC)(link)
Well, it seems to me that, from what I've read in the above links and that email posted, that the language of the policy allows for certain folk to be exempt from NMS per local/kingdom financial policy. If they insist on pursuing this course of action, then it seems that it would be up to the local groups to write in some language that would exclude those attending practices and meetings and such from being subject to the NMS and be subject only to the normal site fee. Fight fire with fire, or in this case lunacy with lunacy. That will at least get them to MAYBE realize the stupidity of their action and get them to reconsider. MAYBE.

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2015-11-17 09:24 am (UTC)(link)
All of which means I've got to disconnect -- the only question is how much.

Do you like to sing? :-)

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2015-11-17 03:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Barbershop is not "my music", either.

But singing well, with great people, definitely is.

Toe-dipping is permitted... any Thursday night except Thanksgiving or just before Christmas... :-)

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2015-11-17 03:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I gather that Mystic Chorale is also a great deal of fun. No audition required to join. Some of our singers do that, as well. North Cambridge Family Opera is an audition-required group, but only so they can assign parts in the opera.

[identity profile] hfcougar.livejournal.com 2015-11-22 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
There is someone in particular who, while they are only one person on the board... Let's just say I had reason recently due to applying for a different volunteer position/organization, to review all that I'd done as seneschal, and it reminded me how small-minded, destructive, and obsessed with finding ways to say "no" they truly were/are. If even only one other person on the board is also like that? Two? Three? Etc.

In hindsight, it's simple to see why we never got along, since my default is generally "yes unless you show me why not" and they appear to be decidedly "no unless you show me why not... or sometimes just because I can".

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2015-11-22 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
The Board recently asked the Grand council to help it make a process for considering new Peerage. Instead the GC is working in a decision making process for all decisions.

Feel free to read and comment.

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2015-11-23 02:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Sitting with my "I read a lot on nonprofit management" hat...

The SCA's biggest problem, is the echo chamber. Managing a business is not the sort of skill that one develops within the SCA, but managing a non-profit is very much that. (Other things to, notably fund-raising.)

The SCA's "experts" at the Board level are home-grown. If they have relevant expertise at all, it is generally either as a lawyer or a middle-manager of a for-profit organization.

The Board absolutely refuses to educate itself on how non-profit management works, nor will it consult with outside experts. As a result it, shall I say, "more and more resembles itself". People do what they know, which is "what they've seen done".

The workload that we dump on the Board doesn't help, either: people still have to earn livings, tend to want to participate actively, and have to micro-manage the day to day operations of the SCA.

There is no time to learn.

I've seen wonderful, talented, great people join the SCA Board, and they remained wonderful-talented-great. But they could not overcome the genuine momentum of the SCA as it is.

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2015-11-23 03:12 pm (UTC)(link)
If I know who you are talking about: that person is toxic.

I choose to believe that the person *I* have in mind, thinks this is the correct way to do business.

It's astonishing to me that someone can rise to the Board, and know so little about management that such misinformation can remain manifest in the mind.
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[personal profile] cellio 2015-11-27 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
I was where you are, years ago. It was upsetting and disruptive; the SCA had been the center of my social life and discretionary time, and people were ruining it and didn't even understand the abuse they were dealing. I didn't think of it then as an abusive relationship (the abusee rarely sees that at the time), but I do now.

For what it's worth, here's what I did. (This will be an unstructured brain dump.)

I do still go to occasional events -- ones that I choose, and not out of perceived obligation. Yeah, I'm a Laurel and I don't go to most A&S events; deal with it. When at events I do the things that are fun for me, whether that's socializing with the people I came to see, playing board games, making music, or whatever. If I'm not having fun, I leave at the earliest opportunity.

I sing in the local choir (except during Christmas-music season, when I don't). I like singing, and this gives me weekly social contact with SCA friends. We sing at a few events a year (two free evens, Pennsic, and sometimes something else).

As a matter of personal policy I do not work at any event that charges the corporate tax. They don't get to declare me a freeloader and then profit from my work. (We have free events sometimes. That's different.)

I go to Pennsic because, well, Pennsic.

I have cultivated other activities with a mix of SCA and non-SCA people, like our occasional board-game days. I also have a social group that is (for all practical purposes) wholly distinct from the SCA. It's ok to have multiple sets of friends.

I spend more "me time" on solitary and introspective activities than I used to. You might think this is counter-productive when re-assessing one's relationship with a major social context, but that helped me identify and focus on the subset of the SCA stuff that was really important to me.

I spend more time online. While I don't do Facebook and don't really use "social media" for the social purposes for which it was designed, LiveJournal/Dreamwidth and Stack Exchange give me meaningful and different consistent interactions with real people. I have real online friends who've never been part of the SCA, as distinct from the days of the Rialto when almost all my online friends came from the SCA. There's a whole world out there of people interested in the things I'm interested in, and connecting with them has been huge for me.

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[personal profile] cellio 2015-11-30 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
I have no illusions that we're going to win on the corporate tax. I stopped trying years ago. But I won't help them either. Granted that with Shabbat my opportunities are limited but, for example, I've cooked a couple feasts for Sunday events -- only if they're free. And helped mind the gate (again on Sundays) -- only if the event is free. And so on. Since Sunday events are infrequent most people won't see the difference between "doesn't do that work because of Shabbat" and "doesn't do that work because of the corporate tax", but I know. And if it does come up in a context where it matters (hall-cleanup after sundown, taking reservations in advance, whatever), I'll bring it up in the discussion if need be.

All that said, as I've drifted away from the SCA the SCA has also drifted away from me, so it's not like people often ask me to do stuff like cook feasts.

On solitary time, I hadn't considered the effects of your work situation. Yes, that'd be big. (Has it really been more than thee years already? How time flies! Maybe not for you, but for me. :-) ) Online activity is good as part of a mix, but actual in-person gatherings are important too. It needn't be as organized as a weekly choir or a monthly gaming group; are there people (maybe the same group, maybe different ones) who enjoy a group meal in a nice restaurant or a group theatre outing or the like? Can you do something along those lines every week or two (or whatever frequency scratches the itch for you)? Are there "for fun instead of for a degree" classes you can take? Places you'd like to volunteer occasionally (animal shelter, food pantry, STEM tutoring, whatever)? All of those can provide predictable, regular contact with other people who share at least one interest with you.