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jducoeur ([personal profile] jducoeur) wrote2016-11-14 03:17 pm
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[Wartime Thoughts] Posts coming under this tag

I'm starting a new tag here, for posts relating to the disaster. Some meta-notes before I start.

First, if you think the tag is hyperbolic, feel free to consider it metaphorical. Suffice it to say that I do *not* consider it that way -- to me, this is a war in exactly the way the Cold War was. This isn't a "hot" war, and I'm praying it doesn't become one, but I think that thinking in wartime terms provides some bracing clarity.

Second, some definitions. "Them", for purposes of this discussion, means the Fascist movement, as embodied by Trump and his cronies. It specifically does *not* mean "the Republicans", at least not yet. I expect that some of the Republicans will whole-heartedly buy into the fascist mindset, but I'm also reasonably sure that some of them are currently on the fence. Trump will be trying to buy them off with goodies, and I'm certain that will work for some, but I hold out an honest hope that *some* of them will prove to be helpfully obstructionist.

That being the case, understand that the war I'm talking about here is specifically *structural*. Trump is fundamentally dangerous to the US as we understand it, not least for his complete disregard of rule of law. He's going to do a lot of horrible things from a policy perspective, and he's going to hurt a lot of people, but I'm planning on looking at them through the lens of the fascist mindset, rather than considering those issues in isolation. For example, I expect demonization of Islam and immigrants to get bad, mainly because fascists always need "others" to blame for their ills, rather than because of actual racism on the part of the people at the top. They're using racism as a *weapon*, and it's important to understand that: we need to understand the enemy if we're going to oppose him.

And yes, I am asserting that Trump is a fascist. Some people are going around saying, "Oh, that was just campaigning; he doesn't really *mean* all of it". You're welcome to that belief; I don't share it. The fact that he has already proposed a Cabinet stuffed with cronies and yes-men, and is still leaving the door open to locking up his political rivals, suggests a fully-fledged fascist mindset.

As for "us", I loosely mean "those who are opposing the rise of American fascism". That specifically does not mean "Democrats". A fair number of Republicans held their noses and voted Democratic, because they understood what Trump is. I do not expect "us" to agree on every issue, just on general opposition to that mindset.

(Note that I believe most people to be neither "us" nor "them". That'll be the topic of my next post.)

I hope we'll have good discussions on these topics, but please note that I'll be moderating these pretty hard, and will mostly (unusually for me) screen these posts. That doesn't mean I don't want to hear from you -- I expect to approve nearly all comments -- but this is *not* an invitation to get into flamewars here. Trolling from either side won't be tolerated.

The point here is to think seriously and productively about what's going on, what's likely to happen, and what we can and should do about it. I encourage y'all to join in, and help plan. If nothing else, I find that grappling with this stuff properly helps reduce the sense of panic and helplessness.

Finally, note that posts here are going to tend to be the in-depth stuff, and won't be every day. Quick comments and links are mostly happening over on Facebook, which is better-suited to quick and shallow.

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2016-11-14 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Mark, I think you'd really like the following linked article.

It focuses on the technical importance of political legitimacy, rules of law, and Donald Trump.

I'm not clear that Trump et al are "Fascist". I can't rule it out, but it doesn't seem likely to me at this point. Even if he (and his) are Fascist in leanings, there's a lot of mechanism that will resist his ability to exercise it.

[identity profile] cvirtue.livejournal.com 2016-11-14 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
He's certainly very authoritarian -- an aspect many people seem to like.
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[personal profile] laurion 2016-11-14 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I can almost understand it. Gridlock and the partisanship that fuels it has made it very hard for the government to move. Voters have been told time and time again to vote for one candidate or another who will go to Washington and get things done, only to have every campaign promise broken because getting things done is hard. The idea of a strong authoritarian leader who can go in and throw weight around and won't take no for an answer can be appealing, especially if you're from an ideological branch that has seen what changes have happened in the past decade driven by movements that run counter to your ideology. Bailouts for major corporations, minimal repercussions for the housing collapse, inversions that send corporate profits and jobs overseas, dark money making it hard to feel like you have a valid voice, progressive rights movements that challenge the comfortable status quo and sow discord into inherited notions of morality and identity. Someone who convincingly says that he will go in and through sheer force of will make change happen and restore the former sense of 'normalcy' seems a persuasive force.
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[personal profile] laurion 2016-11-15 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
Yes... there are quite a few lessons to be learned from classical Rome in this regard. (tongue in cheek) Shame no one seems to study the classics any more.

[identity profile] sephiaowl.livejournal.com 2016-11-15 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
what I am wondering about is just how effective all that authoritarianism is going to be when put up against Washington bureaucracy. I think Trump is going to be in for a rude awakening, when he realizes being president is not like being CEO of a company. When it comes to changing laws, saying "make it so" won't go all that far.

There are some areas where he will have more authority, which is why most of my fears concerning his presidency are about foreign affairs.

[identity profile] eub.livejournal.com 2016-11-17 09:28 am (UTC)(link)
You might also like some rules learned dealing with Putin (http://www2.nybooks.com/daily/s3/nov/10/trump-election-autocracy-rules-for-survival.html).

"Rule #1: Believe the autocrat. He means what he says. Whenever you find yourself thinking, or hear others claiming, that he is exaggerating, that is our innate tendency to reach for a rationalization. This will happen often: humans seem to have evolved to practice denial when confronted publicly with the unacceptable."

You may point out, but Trump routinely says things that make no sense and will never happen, so how can you follow this rule? I'd say: don't take what he says as a commitment, take it as a wish. The things he says, they are a straightforward description of what he desires, or what his base desires and he mirrors emotionally.

Register all Muslim citizens? Sue the New York Times for libel? They're real desires. There are traditions that won't let these happen easily, but the risks are more real than I've ever seen in my lifetime.

[identity profile] fabrisse.livejournal.com 2016-11-14 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
More than anything, we need to look out for "foot in the door" techniques and other classics of creeping normality.

[identity profile] eub.livejournal.com 2016-11-17 09:39 am (UTC)(link)
What i've heard described that I'm reminded of: sometimes with someone who's abusive, like in his relationships with women, you'll see him make quasi-jokes that about violence or horrible behavior. These act like sonar pings, showing where to push boundaries and where not, and they later act as a smokescreen of uncertainty and give him added time to take an actions while people are still shocked and not quite believing.

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2016-11-17 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Puts me in mind of Ha, ha, only serious.

I saw a great article earlier this year (I can't remember where) on how jokes are a way of identifying people who share your opinion - because only people who feel as you do find the joke to be funny. It's a sophisticated form of dog whistling.