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jducoeur ([personal profile] jducoeur) wrote2007-04-06 09:15 am
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Maybe that will wake people up a bit...

Latest polls, reported on the news last night, have the "shocking" revelation that Mitt Romney is now tied for the lead in the NH Republican Primary. Granted, he has an edge there (his name recognition is far higher than in most of the country, having been the governor of the bigger state next door), but it does show that the momentum is entirely on his side.

Everyone seems astonished by this, which still confuses the heck out of me. The media have been making him out to be a no-hoper, which is bizarre. They've been making a huge deal about his Mormonism, entirely missing the point that this just emphasizes him as a "person of faith", which nowadays is compelling to much of the country. In general, they've been painting him as a longshot, which never made any sense to me -- I've considered him the likely winner of the primary ever since he threw his hat in the ring.

Mind, I despise the man to the core of my being: I think he's a hypocrite, and a monomaniac even by the standards of politicians. I decided that I disliked him when he destroyed Jane Swift (who I actually thought was a decent governor, brought down by a couple of ordinary rookie-governor mistakes), and I haven't change my mind since. But that doesn't mean I underestimate him.

Mitt Romney is the consummate politician. In particular, he will say and become anything he needs to in order to be elected. He's expert at repainting his image -- as far as I can tell, he isn't anything *but* image. In my eyes, he's the dark shadow of Bill Clinton. I respected Clinton precisely for his ideological flexibility: he listened to the populace, and when they slapped him down he generally changed his stance. But it always felt like he was doing so out of at least a measure of respect for the people. Romney does the same thing, but in a purely self-serving way: he measures what people want out of a candidate, and distorts himself to fit that model.

Honestly, Romney scares the hell out of me. I look at his eyes, and I don't see the slightest genuine compassion or warmth, just calculation of what can be done to advance his own political interests. And when someone like that gets to the top, I don't know what he does next. I'm not sure he knows. Frankly, while I certain that he's smarter than Dubya, I'm not at all sure that he's saner.

So now is the time for image-countering. The correct counter for Romney is "slick Mitt". He has spent decades as nothing but a candidate, using each position carefully calculated as the springboard for the next. In MA, he showed a complete willingness to stab his own constituency in the back if it would advance his personal cause. That needs to be used against him, and that needs to start *now*. Otherwise, if he's allowed to continue controlling his own image through the primaries, I currently give him better than even odds of winding up in the White House...
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[personal profile] tpau 2007-04-06 01:24 pm (UTC)(link)
i do nto know very muchabout Mitt other then of the things he did while gov i knwo and liek one and don't knwo any otehrs. to me that is a mark of a good political leader. teh yare doing their thing and i don't need to know. they haven't fucked up enough for ti to affect my life.

on teh other hand he got rid of bilingual education which in my book is a huge plus for him...

the problem is that the Republican runners mostly suck and blow. Rudy maybe, but really the rest suck. and the Dems are jsut worse. ugh.

[identity profile] antoniseb.livejournal.com 2007-04-06 01:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Doonsbury's been having fun with him this week.

[identity profile] lauradi7.livejournal.com 2007-04-06 01:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't find the article just now, but apparently according to polls, there are many people who would not under any circumstances vote for a Mormon, more than the number who would be daunted by his lying sleeziness.
What I don't know is why he's running, other than for the fun of living in the White House. Due to his slippery changes of agenda, it's hard to know what his policies would be, other than helping the rich. I believe that George W ran in order to invade Iraq (really), but I can't guess about Romney.

[identity profile] jdulac.livejournal.com 2007-04-06 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)

re: a couple of ordinary rookie-governor mistakes

[identity profile] etherial.livejournal.com 2007-04-06 03:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd like to hear more details on this one. AFAIK, the only mistake she made was getting pregnant.

Re: a couple of ordinary rookie-governor mistakes

[identity profile] etherial.livejournal.com 2007-04-06 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, her wikipedia entry has all sorts of information. You'd think some of it would have made it into the smear campaign against her.

Re: a couple of ordinary rookie-governor mistakes

[identity profile] dlevey.livejournal.com 2007-04-06 03:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Smear campaign? She positioned herself, during the Lt Gov election, as someone who understood and sympathised with ordinary people and our problems. She was the one who said that due to this understanding, she could work for the common people to help fill those needs. When she got pregnant, many people thought that being a working mother would only *increase* this understanding, so important in a state that tends to vote overwhelmingly Democratic (the party more associated with that empathy).

Her actions, however, belied that understanding. Many of us move our homes (or take supplemental lodging) for our jobs, rather than be chauferred back and forth by state police. And when that didn't happen fast enough, a chopper ride would get her home faster - but the rest of us don't have that option. *We* move closer to our job, or wait out the time in traffic, especially at a time when such jobs were in scarce supply.

Some of us have paid upwards of $20,000 (or more!) per year in childcare expenses, something for which many sacrifices need to be made on a family level. We don't have the opportunity to bring our child to work and have our aides watch the kid. Some might call these rookie mistakes; I'd say that they were made by someone who at the very least had problems managing her image (and potentially, given her reaction to the uproar, didn't care). These all came out when they happened, well before any election campaign in which they were reiterated.

People got on Deval Patrick's case for getting an Escalade, but when comparing $70k to chaufer's fees for 6 hours or driving a day, plus the cost of outfitting her van as a mobile office.

Re: smear campaign

[identity profile] etherial.livejournal.com 2007-04-06 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Most of the news articles I saw on her consisted entirely of "how dare she work from home" and "how dare she take time off to take care of her children". If, on the other hand, they had mentioned the kinds of things she did that were foolish or wasteful, they'd've made a valid case against her.
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[identity profile] mr-teem.livejournal.com 2007-04-06 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I set the bozo bit on Romney once it became obvious he was lying about his residency from '99 to '01 so he could be eligible to run in MA. (Considering that the GOP was still supposedly all about the not lying.)

That said, I'm not sure, either, what Romney would do as President. At worst, he'd be a politer fascist than Giuliani.

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2007-04-06 06:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I believe he is unelectable as a Republican.

But he can fund-raise like a S.O.B., and that money can make him quite the power-broker. He is currently singing the song most beloved by the big donors to the Republican party. And telling them that he views "Jesus Christ as my personal savior", which is quite the New Righteous message.

But his Jesus Christ is a separate being from God, and lives on another planet. :-) There are many fundamental differences between the Mormons and the ordinary Christian faithful. And, if one studies the Mormon War, and some of the doctrines of the time - it is easy to be concerned, specifically, about the beliefs of a Mormon President of the United States.

There are some fascinating YouTube videos that show him flip flopping, loudly, on various positions. He can't survive that.

Look for VeepRomney, or Secretary of State Romney. But not President Romney, is my bet.

(And I sure hope I'm right.)

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2007-04-08 02:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you are missing the point that you, yourself, made.

It's a year and a half to the election. There are 3 unsatisfactory candidates... but there is plenty of opportunity for more to run. Just a quick scan of the sources show that Brownback, Huckabee, Thompson (T) and Thompson (F) - and Gingrich.

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2007-04-08 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Money is a factor - but it turns out that a large campaign warchest can be shifted back and forth between candidates. Easily. So, a "winning" Republican candidate can find themselves with lots of easy-to-raise money. At least in theory.

That's why I referred to V.P. Romney. He can buy that kind of access.

It is interesting that, for the first time in my memory, we have zero "designated inheritors" for either party.

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2007-04-08 04:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Thinking about this some more - a lot of Romney's long-term chances may come down to the sort of reception he gets from the Catholic Church, and the various Evangelical political groups.

Classically, there has been very strong antipathy between those groups, and the LDS church - and the LDS church returned it. Search some of the old Usenet discussions of "Is the Mormon Church truly Christian" and see.

Since many of the political church groups have, essentially, turned their backs on much of the basic Christian preaching.... (Seriously: compare what you know of the Gospels, with the Republican and Democratic practices and platforms. Which would Jesus most likely prefer?)

Endorsement of Romney by these groups would require a great deal of philosophical flexibility. But it will matter greatly to his chances.

[identity profile] rickthefightguy.livejournal.com 2007-04-09 02:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Tancredo announced. Talk about a whack-job... Sadly, my cousin works for him. And my cousin is brilliant, energetic, savvy, articulate, and appealing.

[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2007-04-10 05:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Found this in a polling blog
POLL: USA Today/Gallup '08 Primary

Additional results from the recent USA Today/Gallup national survey (GOP results, Dem results, video) of 1,008 adults (conducted 4/2 through 4/5) finds:
Among 430 Republicans and Republican-leaners, former Mayor Rudy Giuliani (at 38%) leads Sen. John McCain (16%), former Sen. Fred Thompson and former House Speaker Newt Gingirch (both at 10%), and former Gov. Mitt Romney (6%) in a national Republican primary.
So, while the NH primary is going one way, the national looks quite different.

The same site strongly critized the language of the Zogby poll that was used. The American Assocation for Public Opinion Research said:
It's always disappointing when pollsters who are internationally known and widely quoted engage in practices that are so clearly out of line with industry standards -- like using loaded and biased questions. There's no other way to describe the questions in the Zogby poll performed for Judicial Watch.
I've read the source site for years, and there is often learned commentary on various weaknesses in Zogby polls. They aren't malevolent - just willing to let the payor of the bill set the tone.

Judicial Watch is a conservative non-profit. While it nominally looks for government corruption issues, in practice it has focused on non-conservative officials.