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jducoeur ([personal profile] jducoeur) wrote2008-01-29 09:33 pm
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And then there were two-and-a-half

Not really a surprise: McCain and Romney split Florida, with Giuliani in third. Pretty much what I expected, but I believe it means that Giuliani is toast: he staked everything he had on winning it. I'll be surprised if he stays in the race at this point. So I think that leaves the Republicans with three candidates who have any credibility, maybe really only two: still too many, but gradually weeding...

[identity profile] liamstliam.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
I think he stays in for a week.

He will do better in New York. I know he will get at least one vote.

[identity profile] rickthefightguy.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 04:46 am (UTC)(link)
Its not the number of votes. I suspect he got more votes in Florida than McCain and Romney combined got in NH and Iowa. Its the relative number...

[identity profile] rickthefightguy.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 03:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I am probably going to ask for a Republican ballot in the primary next week.

[identity profile] serakit.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
Does this mean that you're never going to explain to me how Giuliani is a facist? I've been waiting patiently for that to turn up for a couple of months now...

[identity profile] dlevey.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
While Agree with much, if not most, of what you're saying, I think you're not quite getting at all of the terrorism thing.

It's a fine line, moreso because of the PC tendency to need to not say anything bad about anyone in particular. There was *one* attack on US soil. If that were it, I think you'd be on target. But it wasn't. There have been attacks in England, Madrid, Indonedia... Iraq, whose terrorist attacks were previously held at bay only by that strongman Saddam Hussein. Then there's Lebanon, not just Hezbollah attacking Israel but terror attacks in the country itself. Not to mention Gaza and the West Bank. Oh, and I almost forgot Egypt. Go back a few more years and we have Yemen, and Italy. There is ONE thing that links all these acts, and it's not a tenuous link.

Exhortations to terror are being spouted by imams, are being shouted in houses to worship. They're being repeated by the official state-sponsored media of theocratic nations. Should we attack all these countries? Of course not. But should we pretend that they are our friends? THAT would be dangerous. The vast majority of terrorist action in the world today *is* Islamic terrorism. Sure, I wish it weren't so, but it's the fact, and we ignore it at our peril.

[personal profile] hungrytiger 2008-01-30 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
No surprise about Giuliani, but Edwards dropping out today did shock me. I figured him to wait until Super Tuesday, in which he would have been likely to secure a bunch more delegates, and then drop out to wait for the convention and a role in whatever brokering goes on there if Clinton or Obama can't lock it up.

Of course, since Edwards has been playing himself up as the one "grown-up" in the Democratic debates, then dropping out can be viewed as the "grown-up" thing for him to do, given the reality of the status of his campaign. Plus, it better positions him to once again be considered a potential running-mate (though I doubt that that would happen - certainly not with Clinton and I don't think he adds much of anything to an Obama ticket)

[identity profile] querldox.livejournal.com 2008-01-30 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Edwards makes zero sense as an Obama running mate. Obama's key campaign weak points, especially against McCain, are lack of experience and particularly lack of foreign experience (there's a side order of never having run a government, but that'll be what Romney will use, not McCain).

Edwards has the rest of an undistinguished Senate term over Obama in experience, nothing on the foreign side, and could not carry his state in '04 (and probably would've lost if he'd run for Senate re-election then). Edwards wasn't a particularly good Veep candidate in '04; in addition to not picking up NC, he didn't do well against Chaney in the debate. The people who'd vote for Edwards aren't voting for either McCain or Romney, so he adds zilch to a ticket.

If Obama wants to roll the dice with a second minority, I'd think Richardson compliments him well in terms of covering his weaknesses. Another possibility might be a former military type, although probably only Powell or maybe Clark come across as significant with respect to McCain's military record.

[personal profile] hungrytiger 2008-01-30 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree about the chemistry, that's somewhat unknowable to us.

I think the race issue brings the south into play all by itself, look at the turnout for the SC democratic primary as an example.

I doubt that the Obama camp is that worried about the left side of the Democratic party. If Obama's the candidate, it's unlikely that they'll jump over the the Republicans.

It's my guess that Obama would be more likely to pick someone with a lot of foreign policy or economic expertise to counter the complaints about his inexperience. Edwards wouldn't really add much for him in that regard.