I mean, I've seen plenty of fencers who are great folks, stone killers, courteous, (dare I say) chivalric, are fantastic with that combat form, but don't use a lick of period technique.
Same for Chivalry. :-)
Justin and I differ a little. I think the Patent Orders (ignoring Rose) are: 1. People who make what we do, better. (Laurel) 2. People who make what we do, possible (Pelican) 3. Sports Heroes. (Chivalry)
I can, and have, argued the less-popular position that the Chivalry is about classic armored combat, because that's what the SCA was, is and must remain being primarily about. I'm prepared to compromise on that, because even if I am right, it's not a sufficiently supported position. So, if necessary, I'll abandon that in favor of a more generous definition of Sports Hero.
If I do, then it seems obvious to me that Rapier (and eventually any other martial sport from period) can be a Sports Hero.
I think the right solution is to allow the Chivalry to accept anything other than Rattan (which, right now, it may not) and then pressure the Kingdoms and Orders to more generously accept people who perform any martial art: by authenticity (Laurel), by service to it (Pelican) and by being an SCA Sports Hero (Chivalry).
I think any other solution sucks by comparison. Not just because of my cognitive model, but because we can't afford the loss of people that might very well come from an Either/Or decision around a new Order.
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Date: 2014-11-13 04:21 pm (UTC)Same for Chivalry. :-)
Justin and I differ a little. I think the Patent Orders (ignoring Rose) are:
1. People who make what we do, better. (Laurel)
2. People who make what we do, possible (Pelican)
3. Sports Heroes. (Chivalry)
I can, and have, argued the less-popular position that the Chivalry is about classic armored combat, because that's what the SCA was, is and must remain being primarily about. I'm prepared to compromise on that, because even if I am right, it's not a sufficiently supported position. So, if necessary, I'll abandon that in favor of a more generous definition of Sports Hero.
If I do, then it seems obvious to me that Rapier (and eventually any other martial sport from period) can be a Sports Hero.
I think the right solution is to allow the Chivalry to accept anything other than Rattan (which, right now, it may not) and then pressure the Kingdoms and Orders to more generously accept people who perform any martial art: by authenticity (Laurel), by service to it (Pelican) and by being an SCA Sports Hero (Chivalry).
I think any other solution sucks by comparison. Not just because of my cognitive model, but because we can't afford the loss of people that might very well come from an Either/Or decision around a new Order.