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jducoeurOnce more, with feeling. The Rules:
1. Leave me a casual comment of no particular significance, like a lyric to your current favorite song, your favorite kind of sandwich,or maybe your favorite game. Any remark, meaningless or not. Or, you know -- indicate you want the 5 questions. In fact any comment you leave to this will get questions. Even if that comment is "No."
2.I will respond by asking you five personal questions so I can get to know you better. Or piss you off. Or see how creative you can be. If I'm lucky all 3 in 1 go. (I have a historically bad track record at asking these questions, but let's see if I can think of them all this time.)
3. Update your LJ with the answers to the questions.
4. Include this explanation and offer to ask someone else questions in your own post.
5. When others respond with a comment, you will ask them five questions.
6. It spawns. Again.
ETA: I'm not going to try to ask the questions in the order requested. One thing I've learned from the last time around is that, if I try to be too organized about it, I never ask anything. So I'm going to accumulate questions as I think of them, and I'll reply to each message when I get to five. So don't be surprised if it takes a while to get to you: it just means I haven't finished all five questions yet.
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1. What is *your* all time favorite game (modern or period)?
Poker -- really, nothing else even comes close. In particular, Dealer's Choice has everything I look for in a game: a combination of a fundamental core that I understand, chaotically shifting details, and a deep social dynamic. In general, I'm a crappy strategist but a decent tactician, so Poker suits my skills decently well.
We've got a monthly table that's been running for something north of ten years now. It remains one of my highlights of the month.
2. What SCA accomplishment (not award) are you most proud of?
Tricky, given the breadth of my interests. Two seem to be about tied, so I'll give both of them. On the one hand, there is "getting a lot of people started in the SCA" -- between the online question-answering and college demos, it's turned out to be one of my real passions. On the other, there is "teaching a lot of people how to enjoy period dancing", which has always been my real focus: not just focusing on authenticity and not just having fun, but showing how the two go hand-in-hand.
3. If given the opportunity, would you serve on the SCA BOD? Why or why not?
Well, the evidence says no -- I've been nominated (some years back), and declined the nomination. There are a variety of reasons why, but it's mostly style and inclination: I always prefer to be in jobs where the lines of responsibility are very clear, and the Board is really very messy in that regard. And I'm one of the more infamous anti-bureaucrats in the Society: my sense of honor would probably lead me to try to clean up and slim the Society's bureaucracy, which in all likelihood wouldn't make *anybody* particularly happy. So in a sense, I'm the Loyal Opposition to the Board; joining it would be a tad unnatural.
That said, I don't rule anything out. Certainly I wouldn't do so *now* -- I have too many personal irons in the fire to be able to give the job the appropriate amount of attention. Someday -- well, who knows. It's possible, but I'd have to convince myself that the job wouldn't make me crazy.
4. Do you feel there is still a place for Masonic orders in the 21st century? Or have they grown outdated?
Very interesting, and fraught question, with a bunch of aspects to it.
On the one hand, I suspect that Masonry As We Know It is basically toast. It is structurally designed to be a very large organization, with a lot of fat that grew up in its heyday, and none of that is easy to shed. This causes structural difficulties that are causing something of a death spiral: there are *far* too many individual Lodges, and they are far too reluctant to merge until it's too late, with the result that most are perpetually teetering. So my guess is that the vast majority of today's Lodges aren't going to survive, and the Grand Lodge system will at best need major rejiggering.
And it can't be denied that some aspects of the organization look old at this point. In particular, the male-only thing just looks kind of odd in the modern world, and I don't think it actually adds anything useful. When you're talking about a club that's nearly 300 years old in its current form, it's not surprising that bits of it look archaic -- society as a whole has moved on.
That said, I think the underlying needs are still there. Masonry as a spiritual outlet is really quite neat -- the use of symbolic ritual to teach moral lessons works well if you take it seriously, hitting a lot of basic buttons in the human psyche. So I think that *something* is likely to survive. It may well mutate considerably; it might not even be Masonry per se in a century. (My "Mysteries" project could yet happen one of these years: that takes many of the core ideas of Masonry, and recasts them in a new form.) But I suspect something will continue on.
5. What SCA History question would you like to see answered?
How has the Society changed demographically over the years, and how does that correlate with the changes in the Corporation? I have a lot of theories in that regard, but it's fairly difficult to tease the answers out...
1. Leave me a casual comment of no particular significance, like a lyric to your current favorite song, your favorite kind of sandwich,or maybe your favorite game. Any remark, meaningless or not. Or, you know -- indicate you want the 5 questions. In fact any comment you leave to this will get questions. Even if that comment is "No."
2.I will respond by asking you five personal questions so I can get to know you better. Or piss you off. Or see how creative you can be. If I'm lucky all 3 in 1 go. (I have a historically bad track record at asking these questions, but let's see if I can think of them all this time.)
3. Update your LJ with the answers to the questions.
4. Include this explanation and offer to ask someone else questions in your own post.
5. When others respond with a comment, you will ask them five questions.
6. It spawns. Again.
ETA: I'm not going to try to ask the questions in the order requested. One thing I've learned from the last time around is that, if I try to be too organized about it, I never ask anything. So I'm going to accumulate questions as I think of them, and I'll reply to each message when I get to five. So don't be surprised if it takes a while to get to you: it just means I haven't finished all five questions yet.
mikekn">1. What is *your* all time favorite game (modern or period)?
Poker -- really, nothing else even comes close. In particular, Dealer's Choice has everything I look for in a game: a combination of a fundamental core that I understand, chaotically shifting details, and a deep social dynamic. In general, I'm a crappy strategist but a decent tactician, so Poker suits my skills decently well.
We've got a monthly table that's been running for something north of ten years now. It remains one of my highlights of the month.
2. What SCA accomplishment (not award) are you most proud of?
Tricky, given the breadth of my interests. Two seem to be about tied, so I'll give both of them. On the one hand, there is "getting a lot of people started in the SCA" -- between the online question-answering and college demos, it's turned out to be one of my real passions. On the other, there is "teaching a lot of people how to enjoy period dancing", which has always been my real focus: not just focusing on authenticity and not just having fun, but showing how the two go hand-in-hand.
3. If given the opportunity, would you serve on the SCA BOD? Why or why not?
Well, the evidence says no -- I've been nominated (some years back), and declined the nomination. There are a variety of reasons why, but it's mostly style and inclination: I always prefer to be in jobs where the lines of responsibility are very clear, and the Board is really very messy in that regard. And I'm one of the more infamous anti-bureaucrats in the Society: my sense of honor would probably lead me to try to clean up and slim the Society's bureaucracy, which in all likelihood wouldn't make *anybody* particularly happy. So in a sense, I'm the Loyal Opposition to the Board; joining it would be a tad unnatural.
That said, I don't rule anything out. Certainly I wouldn't do so *now* -- I have too many personal irons in the fire to be able to give the job the appropriate amount of attention. Someday -- well, who knows. It's possible, but I'd have to convince myself that the job wouldn't make me crazy.
4. Do you feel there is still a place for Masonic orders in the 21st century? Or have they grown outdated?
Very interesting, and fraught question, with a bunch of aspects to it.
On the one hand, I suspect that Masonry As We Know It is basically toast. It is structurally designed to be a very large organization, with a lot of fat that grew up in its heyday, and none of that is easy to shed. This causes structural difficulties that are causing something of a death spiral: there are *far* too many individual Lodges, and they are far too reluctant to merge until it's too late, with the result that most are perpetually teetering. So my guess is that the vast majority of today's Lodges aren't going to survive, and the Grand Lodge system will at best need major rejiggering.
And it can't be denied that some aspects of the organization look old at this point. In particular, the male-only thing just looks kind of odd in the modern world, and I don't think it actually adds anything useful. When you're talking about a club that's nearly 300 years old in its current form, it's not surprising that bits of it look archaic -- society as a whole has moved on.
That said, I think the underlying needs are still there. Masonry as a spiritual outlet is really quite neat -- the use of symbolic ritual to teach moral lessons works well if you take it seriously, hitting a lot of basic buttons in the human psyche. So I think that *something* is likely to survive. It may well mutate considerably; it might not even be Masonry per se in a century. (My "Mysteries" project could yet happen one of these years: that takes many of the core ideas of Masonry, and recasts them in a new form.) But I suspect something will continue on.
5. What SCA History question would you like to see answered?
How has the Society changed demographically over the years, and how does that correlate with the changes in the Corporation? I have a lot of theories in that regard, but it's fairly difficult to tease the answers out...
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Date: 2008-02-08 03:00 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-02-08 03:41 pm (UTC)2. You read a vast amount of science fiction. From that field, who is your favorite current writer -- the one you would most avidly hope to see more books from?
3. Systems administration is a field involving a lot of disciplines, ranging from programming to mediating between the geeks and laypeople. Which aspect of it do you consider yourself best at?
4. What aspect of yourself do you most like -- specifically, what would you most hope to see your sons emulate?
5. Flip that: what would you most hope to see your sons do differently than you?
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Date: 2008-02-08 04:11 pm (UTC)Alexander the Landless and I went to college together and lived on the same floor and occasionally the same room. One day there was this loud clatter from outside...
I dabbled for a few years, going to local events, irregularly attending fighting practice, then moved to Carolingia. Shortly after Eliz and I moved in together, I realized that I didn't have much attachment to Halfdan Valesson the boring generic Viking.
You read a vast amount of science fiction. From that field, who is your favorite current writer -- the one you would most avidly hope to see more books from?
What, I only get one choice? My favorite currently-writing authors are Charlie Stross, Iain Banks, Walter Jon Williams, John Varley and Jerry Oltion. All of those have books in process right now, except Oltion -- he should write more. On the front of 'authors who really ought to write more but don't seem to be doing much':
John Steakley, Daniel K. Moran and Janet Kagan.
Systems administration is a field involving a lot of disciplines, ranging from programming to mediating between the geeks and laypeople. Which aspect of it do you consider yourself best at?
I'm a solution-finder more than anything else. I figure out what problems people really have (as opposed to what they ask for) and then come up with ways of solving them. It helps to be an uber-generalist, and I am -- I spend a lot of time looking for the solutions other people have found to problems I've not yet encountered. Apart from that, I'm pretty good at keeping complex systems in my head.
What aspect of yourself do you most like -- specifically, what would you most hope to see your sons emulate?
I believe that intellectual freedom is the root of all other freedoms, and I'd like them to think the same thing. Hopefully I'll teach it to them by example.
Flip that: what would you most hope to see your sons do differently than you?
So many things have come so easily to me that I have almost no willingness to practice anything difficult. I hope they can overcome that tendency.
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Date: 2008-02-20 02:53 pm (UTC)There are too many Alexanders in Carolingia. All of them have distinguishers of some form, lest they be nicknamed Quintus ("Why Quintus?" "Because Quartus showed up yesterday"...)
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Date: 2008-02-08 04:25 am (UTC)Feel free to use my profile to get ideas, since you don't know me well.
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Date: 2008-02-13 02:08 am (UTC)2. I gather that you're about to move Far, Far Away for a while. Is there a reason for the choice of the specific destination?
3. Is there a specific direction you'd like to go professionally? To put it another way, where would you like to be (job-wise) in five years?
4. You've clearly got strong wanderlust. Has that always been the case? Any idea why?
5. Of the things you had to get rid of in your recent Stuff Purge, what was the toughest?
Finally my answers!
Date: 2008-02-19 03:09 pm (UTC)I started reenacting when I was 12 years old. My parents don't reenact, so I didn't get into it via them, as many young reenactors do. I have been a history buff since I was a little, little kid, particularly about 18th century stuff. I always wanted a time machine (still do, for that matter), and started making my clothes a bit in the style of 18th century clothes (made myself pants that ended at the knee, etc). One Fourth of July I was in Washington DC, and there were reenactors in the parade. I was fascinated by the idea that people *actually* dressed up in these clothes, and started doing research. Eventually, I found out that there was an 18th century fort over in Louisiana, about 5 hours from my house. I joined a few mailing lists, and eventually found a family of reenactors that went to events at that fort that were willing to take me on as sort of an adopted child (they already had three children of their own that reenacted with them). I reenacted for 6 years before I went to college. I intended to reenact in college (hell, it's one of the reasons I applied to only New England schools), but I lacked contacts, and the reenacting community, at the time, was not nearly as organized as something like the SCA. Literally months after I graduated, I was back in the hobby.
To get back to your original question, I'd say that the largest part is in the history, followed by the sort of "adult play" (sociology term) or war gaming aspect. I have a very active imagination, and it is very easy for me to have moments at an event where I forget who I actually am and begin to be my persona. For a few moments at a time, I am not thinking "how am I going to write about this in my blog?" but instead am thinking "man, when is that machinegun going to start providing me some covering fire so I can go retrieve that casualty before the Germans shoot him more than they already have?". Moments like those are what most reenactors strive towards, and they come very easily to me. I can't go back in time, so this is about as close as I can get. I also have always been a big fan of games like tag, capture the flag, paintball, etc, and reenacting can sometimes be like a very immersive version of those games.
I tend to prefer first-person reenacting rather than non, for those reasons. If people are behaving in non-authentic ways, it takes me out of the moment. There's little I hate more than having crawled 50 yards through mud and shale to a casualty only to have them respond to my "where are you injured?" with a "uh...I dunno...wherever....". First person stuff is hard, and certainly not for everyone, but in my experience it's far more rewarding.
Re: Finally my answers!
Date: 2008-02-20 03:15 am (UTC)Wow -- y'know, that may be younger than anyone I know in the SCA who didn't come in through their parents.
I have a very active imagination, and it is very easy for me to have moments at an event where I forget who I actually am and begin to be my persona.
This is what my sometime master,
First person stuff is hard, and certainly not for everyone, but in my experience it's far more rewarding.
I can certainly understand that. I'm curious: have you tried any LARP? It sounds like your mindset would enjoy the roleplay of a really good, immersive game. (Mind, most games aren't that good and immersive -- but the ones that are can be spectacular...)
Re: Finally my answers!
Date: 2008-02-20 02:52 pm (UTC)It's younger than any other reenactor I've ever met who didn't come in through their parents. I tend to be very much of a self-starter in stuff in my life that I really want to do. When I was in 7-8th grade, I was a huge Sherlock Holmes fan, and I wanted to have a space in which to discuss the stories/etc with other fans. So, I started up a Sherlock Holmes discussion group/club at the local mystery bookstore. Had about 15 members at its peak.
This is what my sometime master, baron_steffan, refers to as "going technicolor". It's a little harder in the SCA's environment (since the mishmash of periods sometimes makes it tricky, and many people don't do the roleplay seriously enough), but there are times. Pennsic is especially good for technicolor moments: it's big enough, immersive enough and *long* enough to really get out of the modern mind.
I'd think that just about the only time you could "go technicolor" (as your friend puts it) at an SCA event would be in a massive battle, such as at Pennsic, where your senses are so overwhelmed that it's easy for the modern signs to be ignored or to go unnoticed. With reenacting it's generally much easier, because everyone is in (generally) completely accurate gear, eating from authentic ration boxes (or cooking their own food - at the F&I event last summer, Marc slaughtered his own chickens), and often speaking in the language (or at least the accent) of the people being portrayed.
I can certainly understand that. I'm curious: have you tried any LARP? It sounds like your mindset would enjoy the roleplay of a really good, immersive game. (Mind, most games aren't that good and immersive -- but the ones that are can be spectacular...)
I'm not a big fan of LARPing. To me, I want to be back in history, not a made-up time or place, and so it just doesn't do it for me.
Re: Finally my answers!
Date: 2008-02-20 03:38 pm (UTC)There's some of that, yes. But actually, the times most often cited are in the pre-dawn hours, when Cooper's Lake is a little fogged in, and you have the sight of pavilions enough for a the grandest High Medieval festival. (The pavilions, conveniently, usually being *taller* than the mundane tents, and thus more visible.) It can be pretty remarkable if you're of a mind for it.
And mind, there *are* people in the SCA who do period quite seriously, and who create those moments for their own benefit. I was part of a group that for a number of years put on "Le Poulet Gauche", a tavern in Calais, set "400 years ago today". We all had co-ordinating personae, and having a precise date made it possible to create a more or less re-enactment grade event. Even without requiring all the attendees to match, having a consistent *setting* and suitable activities made the whole thing deeply immersive. And our "practices", for just the staff, were even better. The dinner we had the night before the Spanish army invaded -- just the staff of the tavern and close friends, eating all the best food and drinking all the wine before the bastards came to seize it -- was one of my favorite events ever.
Stuff like that isn't the norm in the SCA, but it's around if you look for it: we have so-called "high theme" events every now and then here. Other examples offhand include the Eid al'Fitr event that I cooked for some years back (a Cordovan feast day, all storytellers and dancers and food), or the Perigord event, with a proper 30-dish super-authentic feast, or the Ball I ran at Lincoln's Inn, London. A lot of work, and certainly not SCA standard, but great fun to do.
To me, I want to be back in history, not a made-up time or place, and so it just doesn't do it for me.
That's fair -- I bring it up largely because some LARPs are pretty deeply historical in nature. *Generally* not quite the high production values you're used to, but interesting explorations of a time and place. We've had games on topics as diverse as the Order of the Golden Dawn at the turn of the 20th century, to a fairly in-depth simulation of one of the Apollo space shots. In particular, there's a cadre of folks down in the Baltimore-Washington area who are very deeply into historical stories. If your wanderings ever take you down that way, you may want to see if they have anything of the sort planned...
Part 2
Date: 2008-02-19 03:09 pm (UTC)Honestly? Money. I majored in photojournalism, but since I have seen my mother struggle to make ends meet with her photography (and she is extremely talented and has studied under some very famous people), I chose to also get certified to teach ESL (English as a Second Language), as sort of insurance against living in a cardboard box. I'd rather teach in Japan, honestly, because I was a Japanese studies major for about a year, but they don't tend to treat their teachers terribly well and I don't want to be dealing with that in a foreign country with a strong language barrier. Korea is in desperate, desperate need of ESL teachers (I have heard a statistic somewhere around 20k jobs and 12k applicants), and so they tend to pay you (and sometimes treat you) like royalty. They pay for your airfare (roundtrip), your apartment (and its furnishings, down to the silverware), your transportation to and from the school, your insurance, and often breakfast and lunch (at the school). Because of this, and the fact that, being certified, I'm in a higher pay grade than most, I should be able to return to the US with, after expenses there and paying off my credit card debt, approximately $24k or so.
With said money, I can then take a little time (not too much, but some, if I'm frugal) to readjust to life in the states, and to find a photojournalism job in an area I like. Thankfully, I'm not terribly drawn to cities, and finding a job with a small/medium size town should not be terribly difficult, especially since my location requirements are generally more on the end of "somewhere in this half of the state" rather than "in X town".
I look at it as giving a year of my life away in the interests of being able to hopefully have a better one when I come back. Yes, I do get a little depressed sometimes when I think about being away for a year, especially from Marc, but I then remind myself of how much more financially stable I will be able to be when I come back.
Part 3
Date: 2008-02-19 03:10 pm (UTC)Well, unlike many people these days it seems, I do intend to go into what I studied, which, as I mentioned above, was photojournalism. Photography runs strongly in my family (multiple generations of professionals), and there's a bit of a history with journalism as well, and I have definitely felt those cries pretty strongly throughout my life. I was expecting to have a hard time breaking into the field, but I seem to have a good combination of great luck and an ability to find great contacts, and that has resulted in a few things that make me feel a little bit more confident in my ability to find a job in the field.
In 5 years, I'll be almost 30. By that time, I'd like to have a photography job that pays enough for me to live comfortably and keep up with reenacting (sometimes I think being a crack addict would be easier on my wallet), and that isn't soul-sucking. I fantasize about having a job shooting for, say, National Geographic or Time Magazine, etc, but I tend to be relatively grounded in reality. It's not impossible, and I tend to be a very determined person, but for now I'm sticking to more achievable goals.
That said, while I'm over in Korea, I intend to do a bit of traveling (including Mongolia or Tibet, afterwards) and am planning on using that travel to really expand my portfolio into arenas that I would one day like to be perhaps paid professionally to shoot. The best way to get a job you want in photography is to show that you can do it, and one of the reasons that photojournalism and travel photography are so hard to break into is that you have to have a portfolio in those genres before anyone will consider you, and getting those photos is often difficult and expensive. So, I'm taking advantage of my situations as much as possible.
Part 4
Date: 2008-02-19 03:11 pm (UTC)It runs in the family, on both sides. My maternal grandmother used to drive half-way across the country just for a weekend with her boyfriend or family. My paternal grandfather had visited all but 8 or so countries (as they existed at the time, at least) in the world when he died, and all 50 states, as well as all of the Canadian provinces.
I tend to be the type that needs a lot of personal time to think. Traveling puts me constantly into new positions and situations, which tends to provoke a lot of introspection. I also have always just had this urge to *go*, whether that meant walking a few blocks away to play in the bayou (I'm not white trash, I swear!) or getting on a plane and flying to Switzerland for a month to go do some solitary hiking in the alps. I walk, generally, for at least an hour a day, if I can help it. Sometimes it's more along the lines of 2 or 3, depending on how much space I have to walk in, and how much I need to let my imagination have some time to itself. If I don't walk for a few days, I get a sensation similar to cabin fever, even if I've gone out and done other things. Sometimes I feel like there's this non-specific voice calling to me, saying "come see what's over here!", and it's hard to resist. I also could be a little emo and say that sometimes I am most definitely going *away* from things, rather than towards them. The easiest way to forget about something is to remove yourself from its presence (or the situation, or whatever), and the easiest way to do that is to travel. While travel is nowhere near being primarily a method for me to run away from my problems, it certainly does fit the bill quite well when I feel the need to.
Part 5
Date: 2008-02-19 03:12 pm (UTC)Stuff that was given to me. My family and friends tend to send me a lot of letters/cards/etc, and I also tend to get various presents from people from time to time as well, even outside of celebrations such as Christmas or my birthday. I have an extremely hard time getting rid of things that people have given me, no matter how ugly or useless they may be. It's not that I'm worried about offending them, no, it feels to me like I'm *betraying* them. They gave me that item as an expression of love/friendship/whatever, and by getting rid of it, I feel like I am saying that those expressions mean nothing to me. It doesn't matter that in my concious, logical self, I know that isn't true, and it doesn't matter that the gift-givers would know that wasn't the case, either. For some reason, I just can't shake the feeling that I'm saying that they mean nothing to me, if I get rid of the things they have given me. I suspect my OCD comes into play heavily on this one, since that's textbook hoarding behavior.
After that? Some of my clothes. I had a lot of clothes, and I had to evaluate them all based on how much I felt I'd use them in Korea and when I get back. Honestly, my clothes tend to gravitate towards the khaki shorts/t-shirts variety, and they do so because that's what fits my lifestyle best. As I went through my clothes, I was confronted with the fact that in all likelihood, I would not have as much of a need for such clothes when I got back, because I'm entering a more "real" stage of adulthood upon return. Going through that sort of existential crisis while sitting on the cold floor of a cement storage building was not one of my more pleasant experiences, to say the least.
Re: Part 5
Date: 2008-02-20 03:18 am (UTC)Could be, although the fact that you *did* manage to divest indicates that you're basically okay.
And I do understand the feeling. Indeed, I have friends who actively dislike receiving gifts, and I suspect that this sense of commitment is one of the reasons why...
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Date: 2008-02-15 02:54 pm (UTC)2. The question that started this thread: what's your favorite game (period or modern)?
3. Where do you hope that your professional life takes you? I know what you're doing now; do you have any specific ambitions professionally?
4. You've talked a bit about how you got into Judaism. Now that you've been in for a while, what aspect of the religion do you find most rewarding?
5. The other side of that: you've gotten fairly seriously into modern Jewish *culture*. What do you most like about that?
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Date: 2008-02-08 12:40 pm (UTC)Ping me.
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